APRIL 1998 APRIL 199 ISSUE SIXTEEN ‘S-‘-:‘ ‘_.-:-' ‘ ' ' . SUN RA RESEARCH PUBLISHED BY OMNI PRESS ° P.O. BOX 786, MILLBRAE, 94030 G) 1998 OMNI PRESS. EDITED BY PETER HINDS. SINGLE COPY: $4.00.0VERSEAS: SINGLE COPY $5.00. CONVERSATION WITH SUN RA AND PETER HINDS...JUNE 2,1986 . . . . . . . . . .. SUN RA:IT WILL COME TO LIGHT THAT THERE ARE SOME BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE NON CREATIVE AND WHO(ARE)AGGRESSIVE AND WHO,IN FACT(IT IS) A TWO PARTY THING LIKE AMERICA GOT;REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATS,LIKE THAT.THAT'S THE WAY IT IS IN THE BLACK RACE.THERE'S ONE PARTY,YOU MIGHT SAY,IT'S CREATIVE,INVENTIVE AND EVERYTHING.LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND SO FORTH OF THE BLACK RACE.AND THERE'S ANOTHER PARTY THAT'S CRUDE AND VIOLENT AND PHYSICAL.YOU GOT THOSE TWO KIND OF PEOPLE.WHAT THE WHITE RACE GOT TO SEE:THERE ARE TWO KINDS.NOW,THEY BEEN LISTENING TO THE ONES WHO ARE MORE PHYSICAL AND WHO(ARE)MATERIALISTIC.THEY'VE BEEN GIVING THEM MORE AND MORE POWER AND THE_ONES WHO ARE CREATIVE AND THE ONES WHO REALLY HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO OFFER FROM A HEAVENLY POINT OF VIEW HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED.AND THAT'S THE REASON THE WORLD IS IN THAT STATE.YOU GOT THESE TWO PARTIES.ONE OF THEM IS VIOLENT,ONE OF THEM IS CRUDE,ONE OF THEM IS UGLY AND ONE OF THEM IS INVENTIVE,ONE OF THEM...YOU DON'T HAVE NO KINDNESS,NO SYMPATHY,NO FRIENDSHIP,NO LOVE,NO NOTHING IN THE BLACK RACE.AND THEN THE OTHER KIND:YOU GOT LOVE AND KINDNESS AND SYMPATHY AND CREATIVITY AND ADVENTURNESS. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.WELL,BECAUSE OF THE ONES,THE OTHER ONES "WHO ARE AGGRESSIVE,THE WHITE RACE IN AMERICA(IS SYMPATHETIC)TO THAT KIND.THEY ALSO(OFFER OPPORTUNITIES):IF A(QLACK)PERSON HAS SOME WHITE BLOOD IN THEM,THEY BACK HIM UP LIKE THEY DOING(WITH) PRINCE.AND LIKE THEY DOING(REFERS TO SOMEBODY.UNINTELLIGIBLE). THEY UNINTELLIGIBLE WHITE FATHERS AND WHITE MOTHERS AND ALL THAT. THEY TEND TO BACK THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE BUT SEE,IT DOESN'T...THIS KIND OF VIBE(VIBRATION),IT HAS TO GOAD THEM BECAUSE WHAT THEY GOT TO DO(IS PROMOTE)WITH THE ONES WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER. 'CAUSE THEY NEED IT.THEY NEED IT.THEY NEED IT LIKE NEVER BEFORE. THEY MUST DEAL WITH THOSE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER...NOT JUST AMERICA BUT THE WHOLE RACE.BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE NO SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS.THERE'S NONE.THEY DON'T HAVE IT.AND THAT'S WHAT THE AVERAGE WHITES HAVE TOLD THEM.IN GERMANY,A LONG TIME AGO,HE (ALBERT SCHWEITZER)TOLD THEM THAT THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN THE WHITE RACE IS GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE.THEY GOING TO NEED... THEY GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY ELSE.THEY GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY IN THE BLACK RACE TO SET THINGS STRAIGHT.BUT THE DIFFICULTY,HE SAID, WAS THAT SINCE THE WHITE PEOPLE WERE TEACHING THE BLACK PEOPLE, THEY WAS GOING TO THINK JUST LIKE WHITE PEOPLE.AND IF THEY THINK LIKE WHITE PEOPLE THEY NOT GOING TO HAVE A SOLUTION TO THEIR PROBLEMS.THEN THE WORLD IS LOST.AND THAT'S THE REASON HE LEFT GERMANY AND WENT TO AFRICA.TO TRY AND DEVELOP THE BLACK PEOPLE TO THINK DIFFERENTLY FROM WHITE PEOPLE.THAT'S WHY HE WENT.YOU EVER READ HIS BOOK? PETER HINDS:NO.I'VE NEVER READ HIS BOOK. SR:WELL,HE WAS A GERMAN PHILOSOPHER.AND HE PLAYED ORGAN AND HE WAS A MUSICIAN.AND HE WENT TO AFRICA AND HE STAYED THERE WITH THE HOSPITAL THERE AND HE TRIED.HE SAID HE WAS DOING IT FOR THE SAKE OF THE WHITE RACE THAT HAD TO HAVE SOME BLACK PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT THINK LIKE THE WHITE RACE BECAUSE THE WHITE RACE.THEY WOULD HAVE USED THEIR...THEIR ENERGIES AND THEIR MINDS AND EVERYTHING. , , _, ___,V i _‘ A ,___._,,___..__.._._- _,._‘.,,..__:. ., . . , ,._..._.»-.._>._. ,.,.,._...,. _,.._.*..,_.....,.._-,.._.... .. ...._ _.,_._..__.._. THEY COME TO A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD BE STOPPED.THEY WOULD HAVE REACHED THE ULTIMATE.AS FAR AS THEY COULD GO AND THEY WOULD BE CRAWLING ON TO THEIR HANDS OF THE BLACK RACE.HE DEFINATELY SAID THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.BUT HE SAID IF THE BLACK RACE HAD BEEN EDUCATED BY THE WHITE RACE THEY WERE ONLY GOING TO DO THE SAME THING THE WHITE RACE DID.THEY WOULD NOT BE CREATIVE OR HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE WHITE RACE OR EUROPE.HE SAID THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.WELL,OF COURSE,IT'S HAPPENING NOW.BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ASK NO BLACK PERSON,WELL,WHAT MUST WE DO?'CAUSE HE GOING TO TELL THEM THE SAME THING THAT THE WHITE MAN HAS SAID. AND THEY DON'T HAVE NO SOLUTION. PI-I:NOW,WI-IAT ABOUT somsonz LIKE MALCOM x? SR:WELL...HE MADE A MISTAKE.SEE,WHATEVER IS WATCHING THIS PLANET YOU'RE NOT TO ALLOW MISTAKES.YOU GOT TO BE SURE YOU HAVE THE EQUATIONS.THEY HAVE TO BALANCE.THE WORDS.THE WORDS HAVE TO BE EQUATIONALLY BALANCED AND YOU BUILD UPON THE WORDS.NOW,IF YOU GOT A UNINTELLIGIBLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,NOT EQUATIONAL,IT'S NO GOOD.AND MALCOM X WAS DEALING WITH THE THOUGHTS OF THE WHITE RACE.BUT THESE FORCES I'M DEALING WITH UNINTELLIGIBLE.IF YOUR OWN RACE IS NOT QUITE PROPER YOU GOT TO DEAL WITH THEM FIRST.TALK ABOUT THEM.THEN AFTER YOU TALK ABOUT THEM AND EVERYTHING AND TELL THEIR FAULTS AND TELL THE TRUTH ON THEM THEN YOU GO OUT TO THE WORLD AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE OTHER NATIONS.BUT ITS NOT PROPER TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER NATION AND YOUR OWN IS NOT IN LINE.IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTED.AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.'CAUSE A LOT OF BLACK PEOPLE IS DOING SOME VERY TERRIBLE THINGS.BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WHITE RACE.WHAT HE WAS SAYING ABOUT THEM WAS QUITE TRUE.BUT THEN,I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.EVEN EVERYBODY WHO STAYS IN THE HOUSE WITH ME(IN PHILADELPHIA).EVERYDAY,IF THEY DOING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PROPER,I TELL THEM.YOU SEE,I HAVE TO START A NEW HOUSE.UNINTELLIGIBLE.YOU NOT PROPER.YOU NOT...UNIN- TELLIGIBLE TO BE PART OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.AND YOU'D BEST STRAIGHTEN UP BECAUSE I'M GOING OUT TO THE WORLD AND I'M TELLING YOU,YOU MUST ADJUST YOURSELF TO A CHANGING WORLD.NOW,I WAS TEL- LING THEM RIGHT HERE,LIKE I TOLD MARSHALL'S(ALLEN)FATHER.YOU MUST ADJUST YOURSELF TO A CHANGING WORLD AND FORGET ABOUT HOW OLD YOU ARE.YOU MUST ADJUST YOURSELF,YOU UNDERSTAND.AND FORGET THE PAST. UNLESS YOU_THOUGHT_IT WAS RIGHT AND_WHAT YOU THINK OUGHT TO BE. YOU ACTING JUST LIKE THE WEATHER.THIS IS DOOMED(?).SO YOU GOING TO GO DOWN AND WEAR YOUR LITTLE PANTS JUST LIKE YOU USED TO DO BUT THE WEATHER'S GOING DOWN TO FOURTY DEGREES SO,THEREFORE,YOU MUST PUT ON YOUR LONG UNDERWEAR(LAUGHS).SO HE WAS LISTENING.(HE) SAID,I'M GOING TO PUT THEM ON WHEN I GO BACK HOME.I WAS TELLING EVERYBODY IN THIS BAND,YOU MUST ADJUST YOURSELF TO A CHANGING WORLD.I UNINTELLIGIBLE MOVING SO FAST AND STILL MOVE FASTER.I SEE BUSINESSES GOING OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THE COMPETITION OR OTHER BUSINESSES ARE DOING.BECAUSE THERE _ ARE SO MANY NEW INVENTIONS,SO MANY THINGS THAT..IT PUTS PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS. PH:I MISSED WHAT YOU SAID THERE.WHO'S GOING OUT OF BUSINESS? SR:BUSINESSES ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS ‘CAUSE THEY GOT SO MANY NEw PRODUCTS.AND THE COMPETITION AND THEN PEOPLE wANT MORE MONEY.AND THEN THEY CAN'T...IP YOU GOT A COMPETITION.YOU COMPE- TITIvE,YOU GOT MORE MONEY HE CAN PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE... THAT'S TIME SAVING AND ALL THAT AND PUT THEM ROBOTS OUT THERE AND THEY CAN PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINEsS.THAT'S wHAT'S HAPPENING. THEN THAT MEANS,LIKE,THE PARMER AND THE POOR PERSON CANNOT KEEP UP.THAT'S wHAT's HAPPENING.SO,YOU KNOW,IT’S VERY CRITICAL POSITION AND MORE AND MORE YOU GOT ALL THESE NEW INvENTIONs.IN- vENTIONS,INvENTIONS.BUT SOME MEN.YOU SEE.ARE NOT CAPABLE OF BEING wITH THAT KIND OP MIND.NOw.THEY CAN DO THE LABOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT AS FAR AS THEM#UNINTELLIGIBLE,THEY CANfT DO IT. SO ALTHOUGH THEY TALKING ABOUT ALL MEN ARE EQUAL,IT DOESN'T FIT. SOME MEN CAN...IS VERY GOOD AT MATHEMATICS.SOME MEN JUST CAN'T DO IT.NOW,SO THEREFORE THE DOCTRINE OF EQUALITY IS VERY DESTRUC- TIVE BECAUSE YOU'LL TAKE SOMEBODY AND PUT THEM QVER,IN EINSTEIN UNINTELLIGIBLE A MAN,THINKING HE-WAS CAPABLE OF ACTUALLY MASTER- ING IT,'CAUSE HE CAN'T DO IT.AND YOU DON'T HAVE...YOU DON'T HAVE ‘A UNINTELLIGIBLE BORN EVERYDAY,EITHER.YOU DON'T HAVE A LOUIS ARM- Y STRONG BORN EVERYDAY,BILLIE'HOLIDAY.SO THEN IT MIGHT SOUND ALL VERY NICE TO TALK ABOUT THIS EQUALITY STUFF BUT WHAT NOW...THE WORLD NEEDS SOME PEOPLE THAT CAN FIT IN CERTAIN SLOTS TO GET THIS PLANET IN ORDER.THEY NEED THAT.AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN DO IT.BUT AS I TELL YOU,THEY'RE NOT AGGRESSIVE.THEY STAY IN THE BACKGROUND.THEY DON'T WANT TO BE TRAMPLED BY THE AGGRESSIVE ONES. CONVERSATION WITH SUN RA,JOHN HINDS AND PETER HINDS . . . . . . . . ..... THE AFTERNOON OF OCTOBER 31.l988...BEST WESTERN MOTEL... . . . . . . .. SAN o u o o o oooooo O o o o IIOOOOOC o o o o o o o o o o o colonic 0 PETER HINDS:(WALKING TOWARDS SUN RA'S ROOM AFTER TALKING WITH CARL LEBLANC WHO WAS OFF TO VISIT BUCKNER MUSIC IN SEARCH OF SHEET MUSIC FOR DOWN HERE ON THE GROUND WRITTEN BY LALO SCHRIFRIN AND GAIL GARNETT.FROM THE FILM COOL HAND LUKE.)HE(SUN RA)REALLY WANTS DOWN HERE ON THE GROUND. JOHN HINDS:I SUSPECT THAT'S WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR. PETER HINDS:(ENTERING ROOM FOURTY SEVEN.THE DOOR IS OPEN.)SUN RA. HOW ARE YOU? SUN RA:...AND THEN HE CAME AND HE WANTED TO RECITE THIS POETRY TO ME.HE WAS A GOOD POET. PETER HINDS:THE MAN LAST NIGHT?(IN SANTA CRUZ) SUN RA:YES.COULDN'T GET RID OF HIM.(THE CONVERSATION WITH SUN RA AND THE POET WILL APPEAR IN A FUTURE ISSUE OF SRR.)BUT HE FELT SOMETHING.HE PROBABLY WAS PSYCHIC,YOU KNOW.AND HE WAS I ANALYZING...ANALYZING ME IN.SOME KIND OF SENSE.HE RAN UP AGAINST SOMETHING HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.HE'S VERY INTELLIGENT AND HE WAS TRYING TO SEE...WHAT...WHAT AM I IN A SENSE'CAUSE UNINTELLIGIBLE HE SAID FIVE THOUSAND.HE SAID FIVE THOUSAND.AND I WENT,WHAT HE SAYING THAT FOR?HE DID.HE JUMPED UP AND SAID FIVE THOUSAND.THEN, THEN HE CAME AND HE ASKED ME HOW OLD I WAS.AND I SAID FIVE THOU- SAND YEARS OLD.BUT THE POINT OF IT:HE SAID FIVE THOUSAND BEFORE HE CAME IN THERE.AND WHAT WAS THAT?HE DIDN'T SAY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.HE STOOD UP,NO,HE SAID FIVE THOUSAND.HE DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ME.HE JUST SAID HIS GIRLFRIEND SAID THAT WAS IT.THAT I WAS THE GREATEST ONE ON THE PLANET IN MUSIC.HE SAID HE CAME OUT(AND) HE NEVER HEARD(SUN RA).THAT HE SAID THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS SAYING ALL THE TIME.HE SAID SHE COULDN'T COME TONIGHT.I WANT TO SHAKE HER UP.I WANT YOUR AUTOGRAPH.UNINTELLIGIBLE.HAVE A FIT WHEN SHE SEE THAT.BUT...HE SAID,'THAT'S IT.SHE TOLD THE TRUTH.YOU ARE THE GREATEST.BAR NONE.UNINTELLIGIBLE THAN ANYBODY AND THAT'S IT. UNINTELLIGIBLE WHAT THE WORLD WILL SAY UNINTELLIGIBLE.I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.I KNOW MYSELF.YOU'RE THE GREATEST.'.... YOU DIDN'T GET THE SONG,DID YOU? JH:NO.HAVEN'T FOUND THAT.I WILL EVENTUALLY.BUT PROBABLY NOT BEFORE YOU DO. SR:WELL,I HAVE WAYS AND MEANS.IF I HAVE TO USE MY INTUITION TO FIND IT.YOU ALL COULDN'T...YOU ALL COULDN'T USE YOUR BRAIN AND FIND IT,I'LL USE MY INTUITION.I'LL PROBABLY HAVE IT IN A FEW MINUTES.MAYBE. JH:REALLY. SR:YEAH.'CAUSE I HAVE TO...IT JUST.THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES WITH ME.IT GOES WITH ME LIKE THAT.A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GROWING(AND)THEY REACH A STAGE WHERE THEY VERY LONELY...A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET REACH THAT STATE.OUT SIDE THEIR NATION.FAMILY.THEY DONE" i REACHED IT.THAT'S IT.SO THEY READY.UNINTELLIGIBLE UNIVERSAL 5 FORCES GETTING READY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.BUT'THEY HAD TO GO‘ 1 UP TO THAT POINT...TO MAKE CHOICES.THEY HAVE TO BE APPROACHED AND I r TELL THE TRUTH.TRUTH THEY NEVER HEARD BEFORE...IN CERTAIN WAYS. LIKE YOU LEARN A CHILD.ONE...AND FIRST YOU TELL THEM ONE.THEN YOU I SAY TWO,THEN THREE AND FINALLY YOU GET AWAY(COUNTS QUICKLY ONE y THROUGH NINE)...AND TEN AND THEN YOU GO ON FROM THATuBUT HE GOT 3 TO LEARN ONE.TWO...NINE FIRST.THAT'S THE WAY PEOPLE ARE.IT'S UN- f FORTUNATE.THE CREATOR NEVER.NEVER REACHED PEOPLE.HE NEVER TRIED. L HE SET UP ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.LIKE SETTING UP THINGS FOR LITTLE J CHILDREN.FAIRY TALES,YOU.KNOW.HE DID THAT TO MOSES.TOO.HE JUST... N LET THEM EGYPTIAN PRIESTS TEACH HIM.THE SUN PRIEST TAUGHT HIM... ‘ MYTHS.AND THEN HE DEVELOPED WITH A LOT OF POWER BELIEVING IN THE { MYTHS AND THINGS AND HE USED IT.BUT HE USED TO ABUSE PEOPLE,KILL f PEOPLE.HE HAD ALL THAT POWER...AND HE ENDED UP KILLING PEOPLE. f HE KILLED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND HE...THEN EVENTUALLY HE MADE A , MISTAKE AND HE HAD TO DIE,TOO AND DIDN'T REACH THE PROMISE LAND. I JUST LIKE REVEREND KING.UNINTELLIGIBLE HE WENT ON THE MOUNTAIN. ' SEEN THE GLORY OF THE LORD.THEY SAY.YOU KNOW.HE DIDN'T GET IN UNINTELLIGIBLE.IT'S LIKE THAT.THERE WAS A GOD BUT HE JUMPED OVER i INTO...HE JUMPED OVER INTO MYTHOLOGY.HE JUMPED OVER INTO THAT. g AND LEFT THE REALITY.AND PEOPLE LEFT HOLDING THE REALITY.HE LEFT { THE REALITY.'CAUSE THE PEOPLE...THEY DIDN'T,THE PEOPLE DIDN'T f DEVELOP THEMSELVES TO THE POINT WHERE THEY COULD ACCEPT WHAT HE i WAS.HE JUST LET THEM LET THEIR IDEA OF WHAT HE IS.HE LET THEM HAVE IT.BUT IT DIDN'T SUIT WHAT HE REALLY IS SO HE JUST LET THEM HAVE IT AND LET THEM GO ON WITH THEIR FALSE IDEA. } T SUN RA:YOU GOT TO REACH PEOPLE WITH ALL KIND A OF SOUNDS NOW. i‘ SOUNDS.THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED.THEY GOT TO HAVE SOUND BODIES,NOW. 9 SOUND MINDS.HE BEEN PLAYING THE SOUND(REFERS TO JH WHO HAS BEEN I PLAYING A CYMBAL NEXT TO SUN RA).A LOT OF MUSICIANS ON THE PLANET ] BUT THEY DON'T HAVE NO SOUND.THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG.THEY DON'T HAVE j THE SOUND.AND I HEAR A LOT OF SINGERS...AIN'T GOT NO SOUND.THEY § BE SINGING EVERYTHING ON THE BEAT...AND THAT AIN'T JAZZ(LAUGHS). J BUT THEY GOOD SINGERS LIKE JOHNNY MATHIS.HE SINGS EVERYTHING JUST ) . LIKE IT'S WRITTEN.HE BE PUTTING HIS FEELING,WHATEVER HE GOT BUT 3 HE AIN'T GOT NO JAZZ FEELING.HE'S NOT A CREATOR.HE JUST SINGS.AND .._. _._.__.u..m» m § HE BE SINGING.BUT HE AIN'T SAYING NOTHING.LIKE,THE WORLD HAS JUST g GOT HIGHWAYS.IT GOT SOME PATHWAYS UP THERE ON THE MOUNTAIN.HIGH- 9 WAYS CAN'T GO UP THERE.THEY ALWAYS GO ON THE HIGHWAYS.THE BEATEN 3 TRACK WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GO.WELL,I DON'T DO THAT.I'M AL- ? WAYS TRAVELLING UNKNOWN PATHWAYS.ALL THE TIME.I'LL NEVER KNOW NOTHING.I DON'T NEED TO KNOW ANYTHING.IT'S TOO BIG FOR ME TO KNOW 3 ANYTHING.IT'S SO BIG OUT THERE.EVEN THIS PLANET IS BIG.AND YOU r GET OUT THERE TO OUTER SPACE IT'S SO BIG ‘TILL YOUR MIND...DON'T ‘ WANT TO CONCEIVE OF NOTHING THAT BIG'CAUSE EVERYTIME YOU'RE NOT i BIG.THAT MAKES YOU A LITTLE SMALLER.AND FINALLY YOU FIND YOURSELF Q9-.a....-4. ..--‘man \....-.i...L...v_:...;.‘.>u-...:....u..-’ -' . . .. _.X_._.u..m. m SO SMALL THAT YOU DON'T EXIST.SO THAT'S...THAT'S IT.AND THAT'S THE REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE,THE MORE THEY LEARN...IT JUST...IT DESTROYS THEIR PRIDE AND EVERYTHING TO SEE HOW LITTLE THEY ARE... BUT...IT DON'T WORRY ME.THAT'S 'CAUSE I'M IGNORANT,YOU SEE.BUT, SEE.IF I WAS INTELLIGENT AND SMART THEN I'D GO CRAZY.I WOULD REALIZE HOW SMALL I AM.BUT SINCE I'M IGNORANT IT DON'T MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.I DIDN'T MAKE ALL THIS AND...OR MAYBE I DID.I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER I DID OR NOT.I DON'T KNOW NOTHING.MAYBE I DID. MAYBE I CAN CHANGE IT.SO I DON'T KNOW NOTHING.I CAN'T SAY THAT I DIDN'T MAKE THIS.I CAN'T SAY I DID BECAUSE IF I COULD SAY IT THEN I'D BE WISE BUT I'M OTHERWISE.SO I DIDN'T EVEN SAY NOTHING. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NOTHING BUT JUST TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IF THEY WANT TO SURVIVE.THEY CAN COME HERE AND THEY LIVE AND THEY DIE AND THEY COME BACK AND THEY LIVE AND THEY DIE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.YOU GOT THE KIND OF CREATOR THAT HE DON'T CARE.YOU LIVE ALL THE TIME FOR EVERY- BODY.DIE,COME BACK LIKE THE TREES OUT THERE.WHEN WINTER COMES AND THEN THEY UNINTELLIGIBLE AND EVERYTHING.SPRING COMES THEN THEY GET UNINTELLIGIBLE.PEOPLE CAN BE LIKE THAT,TOO.THEY COME BACK THROUGH THEIR CHILDREN,MAYBE.BUT...IT AIN'T TOO GOOD TO COME BACK HERE.ONLY CHILDREN COME BACK HERE.THEY TEACHING THAT UNLESS A MAN BE BORN AGAIN...BUT,YOU KNOW,YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING SUPPOSED TO BE SAVING YOU...AND YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT.AND YOU REALLY SAVING.BUT HE PLAYING THE PART.AND UNINTELLIGIBLE PEOPLE BE BUSY PLAYING PARTS AND THE CREATOR PLAY PARTS,TOO. PEOPLE GOT THESE PLAYS.JUMP UP AND PLAY THE PART OF A BUTLER OR A PRESIDENT AND THE CREATOR JUMPS ON IT.HE JUMPS IN THE PLAY AND HE PLAY PARTS. TOO.AS LONG AS THEY PLAYING PARTS AND PRETEND,HE GOING TO DO THE_ SAME THING.AND THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG.THAT IS WHAT'S WRONG.'CAUSE ONE OF THE SCRIPTURES SAY GOD HAS GOT(A)SHADOW.BUT THEY AIN'T SEEN THAT.'CAUSE THEY DON'T RESEARCH.A SHADOW DOES WHATEVER YOU DO.AND HE GOING TO DO THAT.YEAH.IT'S ALL BACKWARDS(THAT)MAN IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD....HE'S OVER IN THAT SHADOW.ALL AROUND HE GOT NAMES OF PLACES,LIKE,I SAW A SHADOW MOTEL.I SAID I AIN'T GOING OVER IN THERE AND STAYING.(LAUGHTER)GOT TO WATCH THE BAD VIBRATION AT THE HOTEL THEY SAYING,HOW COULD WE EVEN STAY THERE? THE VIBRATIONS ARE BAD IN THERE.IT MAKES THINGS BAD.AND WE STAYED THERE AND THE DRUMER WENT TO JAIL.(REFERRING TO DON MUMFORD WHO WAS ARRESTED IN SANTA CRUZ,QALIFORNIA,MAY OF l987)I HAD TO PAY $500 TO GET HIM OUT.I SHOULD HAVE LET HIM STAY IN DOWN THERE. PETER HINDS:SUN RA.WE WENT BY A...THERE WAS A HAMBURGER PLACE NEXT TO THE CLUB(IN SANTACRUZ)LAST NIGHT CALLED MURDER BURGERS. SR:YEAH.I SAW THAT. PH:YEAH.YOU'LL KILL FOR ONE OF THESE BURGERS.(LAUGHS) SR:I TOLD THE PEOPLE ABOUT THAT.WASN'T NOBODY THERE BUYING ONE. DIDN'T YOU SEE THAT,LUQMAN?(LUQMAN ALI WHO HAD RETURNED A FEW MINUTES EARLIER AFTER PURCHASING A NEW SET OF HI—HAT CYMBALS) LUQMAN ALI:WHAT'S THAT? I r SR:THE MURDER BURGER PLACE.THEY DON'T CALL THEM HAMBURGERS.THEY CALL THEM MURDER BURGERS AND SAY YOU'LL DIE FOR ONE(LAUGHTER). MICHAEL(RAY)WENT AROUND THERE BUT HE DIDN'T BUY ONE.MURDER BURGER.(LAUGHTER)...IT MIGHT BE WHAT IT IS.YOU CAN'T...IT'S REALLY A MAGIC WORLD.AND I KNOW IT.LIKE THIS FELLOW SHOWED UP IN PORTLAND.HE SAID THAT PEOPLE IN EGYPT CRAZY ABOUT ME.THEY WAITING FOR ME TO COME BACK...THAT THEY LOVE ME SO MUCH OVER THERE IN EGYPT..COME BACK.THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.I AIN'T NEVER SEEN HIM BEFORE.BUT HE WAS IN THE CLUB BUT HE NEVER CAME UP AND SPOKE TO ME.HE HAD TO BE THERE.HE SAY.'WELL.ININTELLIGIBLE IN EXCRUCIATING PAIN BECAUSE I DON'T SMOKE AND THAT SMOKE GETS WITH ME BUT I STILL CAME TO HEAR YOU.I.WOULD'VE COME EVERY NIGHT BUT I COULDN'T STAND THE SMOKE.'THEN HE HAD SOME PICTURES TO SHOW ME TO PROVE HE WAS THERE.SO I HAVE TO GO BACK TO EGYPT..._ SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.GOT THEIR ISLAM OVER THERE.THAT'S GOING. CHRISTIANITY AS WE KNOW IT,IT'S GOING.ALL OF THE RELIGIONS: THEY GOING.EVERYONE OF THEM.A LOT OF GOVERNMENTS:THEY GOING TOO. PARTICULARLY DEMOCRACIES.THEY GOING.FASCISM;IT'S GOING.COMMUN- ISM;IT'S GOING.EVERYTHING THEY GOT UP THERE,IT JUST TRULY GOING TO BE A KINGDOM...THERE AIN'T GOING TO BE A KING OF NO GOD.THEY THEY'VE DISGRACED THAT NAME SO BAD(THAT)THE CREATOR DON'T WANT THAT NAME AT ALL.THEY DID TOO MANY BAD THINGS AROUND HIM SO HE JUST WON'T USE THAT NAME.HE'D RATHER BE NO GOD.HE TOOK THAT NAME.‘ I SAID.'WELL.WHEN THE PEOPLE BELIEVE THERE'S NO GOD.THEN NO GOD TAKES CONTROL.'I MADE IT OFFICIAL...'CAUSE I HAD THE VOICE OF AMERICA(WILLIS CONOVER)AT CARNAGIE HALL SAY THAT ON THE STAGE. HE THOUGHT HE WASN'T GOING TO SAY IT.HE GOT UP AND HE SAY IT. WHEN THE PEOPLE BELIEVE THERE IS NO GOD THEN GOD TAKES THE NAME OF NO GOD AND WILL BE NO GOD.SINCE THEY BELIEVE THERE IS NO GOD. WHEN THEY SAY THERE IS NO GOD,THEY'RE MAKING NO GOD A REALITY BECAUSE THEY SAID THERE IS...AND,YOU KNOW,THEY CAN'T GET AWAY. THEY SAID THERE IS.ANYTIME YOU SAY THERE IS THAT MEANS THAT EXISTS. JH:LIKE AN EQUATION,RIGHT? SR:IT'S AN EQUATION.SO THE CREATOR SITS BACK AND LAUGHS.(THE CREATOR)SAID,'THEY SAY THERE IS NO GOD.I'LL JUST BE NO GOD,THEN. AND THE WHITE RACE WORSHIPPING NO GOD BUT THEY WORSHIPPING NOEL AT CHRISTMAS.THAT MEANS NO GOD.'CAUSE EL IS GOD.IT MEANS GOD. THEY WORSHIP NO GOD.AND BACKWARDS NO GOD,GRD IS DRAGON.IT'S DRA- GON BACKWARDS.THEY TURN IT BACK...NO GOD.D-R-A-G-O-N.EVERYTIME YOU USE A WORD WITH R IN IT IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE SUN.DRAGON IS REALLY THE SUN GOD ALL THE TIME.ANYTIME YOU SEE A WORD WITH R IN IT...NAME OF THE SUN.LIKE BABYLON.THAT'S SUN.THAT'S THE NAME OF THE SUN.ON'CAUSE IT NEVER GOES OFF.IT'S ALWAYS ON.IT'S ALWAYS MOVING FORWARD SO IN ANCIENT EGYPT THEY NAMED THEY NAMED THE SUN ON.LIKE THAT LIGHT.IT'S ON.AND SOME PEOPLE UNINTELLIGIBLE THEY GOT SOME OFFICERS AND THEY BE DOWN AND FULL OF OFFICERS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS.THEY BE OFFING FOLKS'CAUSE THEY NOT...THEY NOT DEALING WITH THEIR ON,THEY DEALING WITH THE OFFS.THEY TURN THINGS OFF.THEY JAIL PEOPLE.THE WHOLE THING IS BASED UPON PRINCIPLES AND WORDS.AND THE CREATOR GIVE THEM ALL THEM WORDS.THEY DIDN'T INVENT THESE WORDS.HE PUT EVERYTHING...LIKE HE PUT THE FLOWERS .. .... ._..,_.L__,_._.. _.I...,_.., .7.-. ......._.,.__..__ .-.. HERE AND HE PUT THE SNAKES HERE...HE PUT EVERYTHING.SEE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THEM.ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE USE OF IT? ARE YOU GOING TO KILL YOURSELF WITH IT?IT JUST LIKE YOU GOT A CHILD(AND)YOU GOT A FIREPLACE THERE.GOTS SOME FIRE IN IT..,.YOU MIGHT TELL IT,DON'T PUT YOUR HAND IN THE FIRE.HE PUT HIS HAND IN THE FIRE HE GOING TO GET A MESSAGE.EVEN THOUGH HE IS INNOCENT. HE DON'T KNOW NO BETTER.HE GOING TO GET BURNED.SOMETIME A BABY FALL OUT OF A THIRTEEN STORY APARTMENT BUILDING(AND)DON'T GET HURT.UNINTELLIGIBE SAID HE GOT PROTECTED.SOME PEOPLE GET PRO- TECTED,SOME PEOPLE DON'T.IT'S LIKE THAT.BUT REACHING THE CREATOR IS QUITE DIFFICULT BECAUSE I READ IT(ON THE)BACK OF AN LP WHERE MCCOY TYNER SAID...WELL,'IT'S NOT EASY TO REACH THE CREATOR.A LOT OF PEOPLE TRY.SOME PEOPLE GOT A HOT LINE T0 HIM.THEY CAN REACH. I'M NOT ONE OF THEM.I TRIED.NOT EVERYBODY CAN REACH THE CREATOR.' HE SAID THAT.NOW,I ASKED HIM ABOUT OVER IN... AND IT LOOKED LIKE HE DIDN'T EVEN REMEMBER IT.WELL,HE PROBABLY SAID IT BUT HE DIDN'T REMEMBER IT.A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID THINGS THEY DON'T REMEMBER.THEN THEY SAID THINGS THAT COME IN THEIR MOUTHS,JUST BAM.THEY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT.SO THAT'S THE REASON THE CREATOR CAN GO IN THERE AND SAY SOMETHING RIGHT THROUGH THEM.THEY DON'T EVEN HERE.THAT'S THE REASON THEY SAY THEY HAVE EARS AND CAN'T HERE,EYES AND CAN'T »SEE.SO THEY PUT SOMETHING UP BEFORE THEM,BAM!THEY'RE ON THE HIGH- WAY(AND)THEY PASS IT BY,BAMlTHEY DON'T SEE IT.LIKE,WE PASS SOME- THING(AND)I SAID,'DID YOU ALL SEE THAT?'AND NOBODY IN THE BAND SEE IT.I TOLD THEM,I WAS LOOKING IN THE PAPER(AND)I SAID,'LOOK, THEY GOT A SATURN CAFE DOWN THERE.'IN THE PAPER IT SAID IT'S WEIRD...IT'S SOMETHING WEIRD AT THE PLANET,I MEAN AT THE SATURN CAFE.I SAID,'YOU SEE THAT?'THEY DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PAPER. AND THEN WE GOING ALONG AND WE PASS BY SATURN(AND)I SAID,'DID YOU SEE THAT?'AND NOBODY IN THE BAND SEE IT.(ASKS LUQMAN ALI) DID YOU SEE THAT?(L.ALI INDICATES NO)YOU SEE,THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. JH:IN SANTA CRUZ. SR:YES. JH:YEAH.THE SATURN CAFE. SR:THEY GOT THE SATURN CAFE.AND IT'S IN THE PAPER.WE PASSED RIGHT BY IT AND NOBODY SAW IT THAT WAS WIDE AWAKE LOOKING.SO,I SEE THAT ALL THE TIME.BUT I'M ALWAYS...I'M ALWAYS LOOKING...READING.I SEE STRANGE THINGS IN THE HIGHWAY.AND THIS PLANET JUST SITTING UP HERE READY...READY TO WAKE UP.IT'S MOST AMAZING.THEY'VE BEEN ASLEEP THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS.'CAUSE THEY SAID SOME- THING ABOUT THE CREATOR THAT HE DIDN'T EXACTLY LIKE IT.THEY SAY HE WENT TO SLEEP.SIX DAYS HE MADE THE HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THEN HE WENT TO SLEEP.AND HE DIDN'T LIKE THAT.AND IT WASN'T TRUE.THEN THEY SAID THAT THE DEVIL'S ALWAYS BUSY.AND THEY MADE(IT)WHERE GOD WENT TO SLEEP BUT THE DEVIL DIDN'T AND THE DEVIL...THAT MEANS THE DEVIL'S IN CHARGE.THE CREATOR DIDN'T LIKE THAT EITHER. 'CAUSE HE WASN'T TELLING THE TRUTH.THE CREATOR'S ALWAYS CREATING. AND SO HE JUST LEFT HERE WHERE(THERE IS)NOTHING HAPPENING NEW UNDER THE SUN. BUT HE MADE IT WHAT THEY SAID.HE'LL DO NOTHING UNINTELLIGIBLE. PARTICULARLY BLACK FOLK...UNTILL THEY GIVE HIM THE PROPER GLORY. THEY AIN'T GOING TO NEVER MAKE IT.UNINTELLIGIBLE IT'S A PROBLEM. A PSYCHIC PROBLEM.LIKE THEM LITTLE CHILDREN OVER THERE STARVING TO DEATH.TAKING THEIR LAST BREATH.GOD AIN'T DOING...AIN'T LIFT- ING A FINGER TO SAVE(THEM).THEY'RE SO THIN THEY JUST...LAST } BREATH.THEY SUFFERING.HE AIN'T LIFTING A FINGER TO SAVE THEM. 3 'CAUSE THEY JUST SINNERS AND SOME FOLKS WHO DISPLEASE HIM.SO ' HE SAID,'LET THEM DIE.'THAT'S WHAT HAPPENEND.LET THEM DIE.IT'S ; STRANGE BUT TRUE.HE EXISTS ALL RIGHT.BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK E HE DOESN'T.BUT HE DOES.IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PEOPLE DON'T BE- ' LIEVE IN HIM...HE AIN'T GOING TO DO NOTHING FOR THEM.WHY SHOULD HE?SAME THING WITH THIS BAND.IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M UN- INTELLIGIBLE(DOING)I CAN GET RID OF THEM.I SAY I CAN'T MOVE V : FORWARD(WITH)THEM SO,THEREFORE,THEY HAVE TO GO.AND THAT IS { TRUE.THEY HAVE TO.BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE NO PROGRESS...YOU CAN'T ' LET THE TAIL WAG THE DOG,YOU KNOW.THEY GOT ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT 5 EVERYBODY'S EQUAL,CAN'T NO LEADER BE OVER IN NOTHING LIKE THAT. 1 THE WOLF LEADER AIN'T EQUAL TO THE WOLVES.AND THE BIRDS UP THERE } FLYING,THEY'RE NOT EQUAL TO THEIR LEADER UP THERE.ALL THE ANIMAL KINGDOM GOT LEADERS.AND THEY FOLLOW THEM,TOO.'CAUSE,I MEAN... IT WOULD BE BETTER NOT FOLLOW THEM IN A SENSE.I THINK IN WOLF KING IF A LEADER FOLLOWED OR SOMETHING OR DON'T LEAD THEY EAT HIM UP OR KILL HIM.WELL,THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.NATURE TEACHES A LESSON.A BITTER LESSON.THEM SNAKES EATING UP LITTLE BIRDS AND ALL THE FEATHERS AND ALL.IT'S CRUDE OUT THERE.IN NATURE.AND MAN GOT ALL OF THESE...LOOK AT THESE MODERN THINGS.HE GOT ALL THIS. THE MOUNTAINS AIN'T GOT IT.HE GOT IT.WHY DOES HE HAVE IT?HE'S PART ANIMAL.WHY HE GOT ALL THIS?HE DIDN'T DESERVE IT.SOMETHING IS PUTTING IT THERE...HOPING THAT HE'LL...DEVELOP HIMSELF WITH IT.JUST HOPING...THAT HE'LL TAKE IT AND KEEP ON MOVING AND RISE UP ABOVE IT...THIS STAGE.HE HAS TO.HE CAN'T BE PART OF THE CREATOR TALKING ABOUT BEING RIGHTEOUS.CREATOR DON'T CARE ABOUT 1 NOTHING RIGHTEOUS.IN FACT,IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS WHY BE RIGHTEOUS I OVER MUCH?WHY SHOULD YOU DESTROY YOURSELF?RIGHT IN THE BOOK.AND ' OVER IN WHERE THEY TEACHING IT THE LUTHEREN WANTED TO BE LIKE GOD AND KICKED THEM OUT OF HEAVEN.SO THEN IT AIN'T WISE TO TRY AND BE LIKE GOD.THAT'S AN INSTRUCTIVE LESSON.THAT DON'T TRY TO BE LIKE GOD.SO THEN GOD MUST BE A NAME...TABOO.SACRED.SACRED } MEANS TABOO.IT MEANS DON'T TOUCH.YOU GOT ALL THESE CHURCHES OVER 5 THERE WANT TO BE LIKE GOD.THEY BE IN TROUBLE.SO THEY JUST LET ‘ IT GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON... ALL THESE THOUSAND OF YEARS. * AIN'T TELLING NOBODY NOTHING.EVEN SAID THAT THE ANGELS DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.RIGHT IN THE BIBLE.HE SAID THE ANGELS,HE ACCUSES ANGELS OF FOLLY.IF HE GOING TO ACCUSE ANGELS OF BEING FOOLISH,WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE?BUT DON'T NOBODY READ THAT. BUT YOU HAD THE ZIEGFIELD FOLLIES.THAT'S THE WHITE RACE AND THEY GET THE FOLLY.THEY ACTUALLY HAD THE ZIEGFIELD FOLLIES.HE SAY HE ACCUSE THEM OF FOLLY.FOLLY IS JUST LITTLE FOOLISHNESS,YOU KNOW. IT AIN'T HARMFULL,IT'S JUST A LITTLE FRIVOLOUS,FOOLISHNESS.THAT‘S THE WAY ZIEGFIELD FIXED IT UP.HE HAD THE GIRLS ACTING REAL SILLY AND FOOLISH AND FOLLY IN THEIR NAME.FOLLY.LITTLE HUMOR.HUMOR THINGS.THAT WOULD MAKE YOU LAUGH.THEY DRESSED LIKE THAT.IT WAS REALLY GOOD THOUGH.HE HAD SOME GOOD...HE REALLY HAD GOOD THINGS. SO GOOD THEY NAMED A THEATER AFTER HIM.A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME THROUGH THE ZIEGFIELD FOLLIES.BUT THEY HAD TO...THEM GIRLS HAD TO BE DISCIPLINED.THEY DIDN'T MAKE MUCH MONEY BUT THEY LOVED THEIR ART.THAT'S THE WAY IT IS WITH EVERY ARTIST.THEY LOVE THEIR ART.AND THEY..THEY EXPRESS IT.AND THEY DOING A GOOD JOB FOR THE WORLD.OF COURSE THEE ARE.THE ONLY THING THE WORLD GOT.THE WORLD DON'T PAY THEM MUCH.THOUGH.THE REST OF THE WORLD DON'T UNDER- STAND.BUT...SOME COUNTRIES DO.THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ART.BEAUTY.THAT'S ALL THE CREATOR RESPECTS.UNINTELLIGIBLE < CREATIVE THINGS.A NATURAL CREATOR WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN NO IMITATION.A CREATOR IS INTERESTED IN SOME...HE INTERESTED IN CREATIVE,CREATORS.SOME HE AIN'T SEEN BEFORE.SOME HE AIN'T HEARD BEFORE.THAT'S IT.THEN YOU BE A CREATOR.TOO.SO YOU CAN REACH THE CREATOR THROUGH YOU BEING A CREATOR.AND IT HAPPEN.TAKE YOUR IDEAS AND PUT IT OUT THERE TO THE WORLD.THEY CAN BE GOOD IDEAS OR BAD IDEAS BUT IF IT'S CREATIVE EVENTUALLY HE'LL TAKE_IT AND TURN IT AROUND FOR THE PEOPLES BENEFIT IF THEY WANT IT.HE CAN TAKE...HE CAN TAKE A GREAT EVIL AND MAKE IT BENEFICIAL TO HUMANITY.IT DON'T MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.HE CAN TAKE THE WORST MAN IN THE WORLD AND MAKE HIM THE GREATEST MAN AS FAR AS HELPING PEOPLE.THAT'S RIGHT. SO THEN THEY DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF CREATOR.HE'S DIFF- ERENT FROM WHAT THEY SAY.THEY GOT THEIR IMAGE OF HIM,I'M TELLING YOU,HE GOT A SENSE OF HUMOR...HE BE PUTTING FOLKS IN SOME TERRIBLE,TERRIBLE CONDITIONS.BUT HE CAN'T GET OUT.THEN YOU SIT AND WATCH AND SEE...HE FIX ONE WAY FOR THEM TO GET OUT.AND HE SIT AND WAIT FOR THEM TO GET OUT.UNINTELLIGIBLE ALL MEN.AND THEY AIN'T GOT ONE WAY OUT.LIKE A LABYRINTH.I GOT A POEM ABOUT THAT. IT AIN'T REALLY A POEM.(IT'S AN)EQUATION SAYING THEY HAVE A LAB- YRINTH IN THEIR HEADS.UNINTELLIGIBLE GOT A LABYRINTH.AND I GOT THINGS OUT THERE THAT MAYBE THE WORLD SHOULD SEE BUT I'M NOT A MINISTER.I'M NOT SEEKING TO BE NO LEADER.I VERY(MUCH)TRIED TO AVOID IT.BUT I'M IN CONTACT WITH THE CREATOR LIKE NOBODY WHO EVER WALKED THIS PLANET.AND I'M IN CONTACT WITH HIM.I CAN DO THINGS TO THIS PLANET THAT NOBODY COULD DO.NOT EVEN JESUS.NOT EVEN GOD.CAN'T DO IT.THIS CREATOR IS ABOVE THE NAME GOD.YOU CALL HIM GOD HE GET MAD.SO THAT...THAT WORD IS VERY LOW.IT'S THE LOWEST THING THAT YOU...TWO WORDS ARE VERY BAD IN THE COSMOS: MAN AND GOD.THE TWO LOWEST THINGS.BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MUSIC. MAN IS NUMBER ONE AND GOD IS NUMBER EIGHT.NOW.IN MUSIC THAT'S... MAN IS GOD UP THERE IN THE OCTAVE.HE GOD...SO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS,SEE.WON'T DEAL WITH THAT.SHOULDN'T TRY TO BE LIKE GOD. YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.AND ADAM AND EVE WENT TO THAT TREE AND THEY WANTED TO BE LIKE GOD...IN TROUBLE.PEOPLE...THEY DON'T SEE THAT. THEY DOING ALLRIGHT UNTILL THEY WANT TO BE LIKE GOD.AS SOON AS THEY WENT OVER THERE AND SAY THEY BE LIKE GODS.THE SERPANT TOLD THEM TO BE LIKE GODS UNINTELLIGIBLE AND THEY JUMPED OVER THERE AND THEY ATE OF THAT TREE AND THEY BECAME AS GODS KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL,GOT KICKED OUT OF THE GARDEN.AFTER THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING BUT TROUBLE.NOW,A LITTLE CHILD COULD UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HAPPEN TO THEM.IT—AIN'T GOOD TO BE LIKE GOD.AND GOD UNINTELLI- GIBLE.I MEAN,THEY WERE TOLD NOT TO TOUCH THAT TREE.SO IT MUST BEEN SOMETHING WRONG.PROBABLY GOD TELLS SOMEBODY...DON'T TOUCH THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE.UNLESS IT'S BAD FOR THEM.IT WAS BAD,ALL- RIGHT.UNTILL THEY TOUCHED THAT TREE THEY WAS ALLRIGHT. 10 i 2 [ n SO WHEN THEY TOUCHED THAT TREE THEN...THEY LISTENED TO THAT SERPANT THAT SAID,'YOU SHOULD BE AS GODS.'AND THE SERPANT TOLD THE TRUTH.BUT THEY COULDN'T REACH THE TREE OF LIFE,YOU HAD TO GET TO THE TREE OF LIFE AFTER YOU ATE OF THE TREE.YOU HAD TO GET TO THE TREE OF LIFE UNINTELLIGIBLE.AND THEN GOD PUT A BIG ANGEL THERE WITH A SWORD THAT THEY WOULDN'T...COULDN'T GET THERE.AND THAT'S THE REASON THEY DIED.SO THE SERPANT TOLD THE TRUTH.BUT THEY DIDN'T GET TO THAT OTHER TREE QUICK ENOUGH.SO THEY CAN'T SAY THE DEVIL LIED.HE TOLD THE TRUTH.BUT,HE DIDN'T TELL THEM THEY GOT TO GET TO THAT TREE.EVIDENTLY,THEY COULD GET TO THAT TREE ANYWAY.THERE(WAS)ONLY ONE FORBIDDEN TREE.AND AFTER THEY GOT ON OVER THERE ON THAT FORBIDDEN TREE THEY WAS...THEY WASN'T FOR- BIDDEN TO GET TO THE TREE OF LIFE BUT THEY HAD ANGELS THERE WITH A SWORD.AIN'T NOBODY GOING TO GO UP...DOUBLE EDGE SWORD.NO! UNINTELLIGIBLE ANGELS.WHEN GOD TELL THEM TO DO SOMETHING,THEY DO IT.WHEN YOU COME UP THERE YOU GET WHACKED.THEY COMPLETELY OBEDI- ENT TO GOD,YOU SEE.IF HE TELL THEM,NOW,DON'T LET THEM GO.ANGELS GOING TO BE OBEDIENT.HE NOT GOING TO UNINTELLIGIBLE.SO YOU GOT THAT SWORD.AND THEN JESUS CAME AND SAID,'I CAME TO BRING A SWORD.'IN A SENSE HE WAS AN ANGEL IN THAT INSTANCE.YEAH.HE WAS AN ANGEL.HE SAID,'YOU MUST HATE YOUR LIFE.'DON'T GO OVER THERE... MESSING AROUND WITH LIFE.'HE TOLD THEM THAT.DON'T NOBODY PREACH THAT.HE TOLD THEM YOU MUST HATE YOUR LIFE.AND WHY WOULD GOD PUT SOMEBODY THERE THAT KEEPS FORCING THEM TO THE TREE AND TELLING THEM...SENT HIS WORD AND SAY YOU MUST HATE YOUR LIFE?SO LIFE. THEN,MUST BE BAD.IT IS.HE SAY EITHER MAKE THE TREE GOOD OR MAKE IT EVIL.HE DIDN'T SAY,NOW,DON'T BE HAVING NO TREE TALKING ABOUT THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND THE EVIL.NOW MAKE THAT TREE EVIL OR MAKE IT GOOD.THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD THEM.SO THEN THE CREATOR DIDN'T LIKE THAT.AND YOU GOT A PEACH TREE'S A PEACH TREE.A PEAR TREE'S A PEAR TREE.SO YOU DON'T CALL A PEACH(A) PEAR TREE.YOU JUST CALL IT ONE THING.UNINTELLIGIBLE.THEY MADE GOOD.EVEN GOOD EVIL BY HAVING THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL. JH:YOU WROTE A SONG ABOUT THAT.I REMEMBER YOU DID THAT OUT HERE IN '74.IT IS FORBIDDEN,STRICTLY FORBIDDEN... SR:OH YEAH,THAT'S A NICE SONG.I GOT A LOT OF SONGS INSTRUCTIVE TO PEOPLE.I'M NOT SEEKING TO BE NO MINISTER,NO LEADER BUT THEY WOULD LISTEN NOW BUT...ALL MY LIFE I TRIED TO BE OVER THERE, BEING NO LEADER.I DON'T NEED THAT.BUT,YOU SEE,THE CREATOR DON'T HAVE NOBODY ELSE BUT ME.SO I WOULDN'T DO IT FOR HUMANITY.I'D DO IT FOR THE SAKE OF THE NAME OF THE CREATOR...PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE CREATOR;THEY DON'T DESERVE TO KNOW ABOUT HIM. I'VE HAD SO MANY FOLKS I HELPED BETRAY ME AND BE...AND BE UN- GRATEFUL...UNINTELLIGIBLE.STAY OUT OF THE WAY.I COULD EASILY DO THAT.EGYPT IS WAITING FOR ME WITH OPEN ARMS.COME TO EGYPT.GO THERE IN THE DESERT AND JUST...STAY THERE.I'M NOT UNINTELLIGIBLE ON THAT.I'D GO RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW.IT'S A FELLOW,HE'S A CAMEL DRIVER,HE SAY I CAN COME OUT,I CAN BRING THE BAND AND,YOU KNOW,THEY GOT SOME WONDERFUL TENTS THERE... CONVERSATION CONTINUES IN ISSUE FIFTEEN,PAGE ONE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. ll THE MOOG SYNTHESIZER IN ITS POTENTIAL AND APPLICATION TO AND FOR THE FUTURE IS TREMENDOUS IN SCOPE,PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE CREATIVE NATURALS.IT MOST CERTAINLY IS WORTHY OF A PLACE IN MUSIC.THERE ARE MANY EFFECTS ON IT WHICH AT PRESENT ARE NOT UPON ANY INSTRUMENT.ON ONE OF MY COMPOSITIONS.MY BROTHER THE WIND,THE MOOG IS A PERFECT PROJECTIVE VOICE.OF COURSE.LIKE OTHER ELECTRONIC KEYBOARD INSTRUMENTS,IT WILL REQUIRE A DIFFERENT TECHNICAL APPROACH,TOUCH AND OTHERWISE IN MOST EFFORTS OF ENDEAVOR.IT IS A CHALLENGE TO THE MUSIC SCENE.PERHAPS IT MAY GALVANIZE MUSICIANS INTO HARMONY AND HARMONY UNITS AND THEY WILL BECOME EXPONENTS OF HARMONIC BROTHERHOODS,BANDED TOGETHER AT LAST TO ACHIEVE ENSEMBLE PRESENCE AND WORTH ACCORDING TO THE GREATER STANDARDS OF THE UNIVERSE... SOME MUSICIANS MAY FEAR THE SYNTHESIZER.IT IS AWESOME EVEN IN ITS PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT:BUT THIS IS A BOLD,AGGRESSIVE AGE,PIONEERING IN A SENSE BEYOND KNOWN FRONTIERS.MUSIC IS NOW A LANGUAGE OF EX- TENSIVE LANGUAGE(A PAN UNIVERSE INTERCESSOR),A LANGUAGE OF IM- PRESSION VIBRATIONS,AND AS SUCH IT IS A MAGNIFIED REITIRATION DI- MENSION OF PERMUTATES SOUND.NO DOUBT A SUITABLE BASIS FOR A SOUND WORLD... SURVIVAL IS THE WATCHWORD MORE THAN EVER FOR THE PLANET EARTH. MUSIC HAS ITS PLACE IN HISTORY AS AN INSPIRATION FOR SURVIVAL.IT WILL RETAIN THAT PLACE NOW AND DEMONSTRATE MORE THAN EVER BEFORE ITS PRICELESS VALUE TO HUMANITY,OTHER BEINGS AND THE UNIVERSE. PEOPLE ARE IN A FLUCTUATION OF CHANGE,BECAUSE OF THE VIBRATIONS IN THE UNIVERSE WHICH ARE DEMANDING OF THE EARTH AND ITS PEOPLES AN ADJUSTMENT TO AND RECOGNITION OF ITS PRESENCE IN ALL SPHERES OF THEIR LIVES,LIFE AND BEING POTENTIAL... SOME MUSICIANS CONTINUE TO FEEL THAT ELECTRONIC INSTRUMENTS ARE GIMMICKS AND TOYS BUT ITS ACTUALLY NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT. JUST AS IN ALL OTHER FIELDS OF MUSIC,THE ELECTRONIC INSTRUMENT WILL HAVE ITS NATURALS,THOSE WHO ARE ADEPT IN EVERY WAY FOR THE ELECTRONIC NATURAL APPROACH.AS FOR ME.I NEVER CONSIDER ANY IN- STRUMENT IN THE CATAGORY OF NO VALUE IN THE COMPOSERS WORLD OF CREATION;IT IS ALL ACCORDING TO THE TIME,THE PLACE,THE PERFORMER, THE PARTICULAR NEED OF THE_COMPOSITION AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN- VOLVED.ACCORDINGLY,ELECTRONIC INSTRUMENTS ARE NO EXCEPTION TO THAT CODE. I A THE MAIN POINT CONCERNING THE SYNTHESIZER IS THE SAME AS IN ALL OTHER INSTRUMENTS,THAT IS,ITS CAPACITY FOR THE PROJECTION OF FEELING.THIS WILL BE DETERMINED IN A LARGE DEGREE NOT JUST BY THE INSTRUMENT ITSELF,BUT AS ALWAYS IN MUSIC,BY THE MUSICIAN WHO PLAYS THE MUSIC. SUN RA WRITING ABOUT THE MOOG SYNTHESIZER........................ DOWN BEAT...JULY 23.l970.PAGES 34 AND 39........ . . . . . . . . ......... MORE THOUGHTS FROM VARIOUS MUSICIANS REGARDING SUN RA . . . . . . . . . .. THIRD IN AN ONGOING SERIES. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. JACK DEJOHNETTE...DRUMMER,PIANIST AND COMPOSER... SUN RA WAS A BIG INFLUENCE IN CHICAGO.BACK THEN,AROUND l958,SUN RA WOULD BE READING COMIC BOOKS AND SPACE MAGAZINES AND EVERY- ONE USED TO THINK HE WAS CRAZY.I USED TO THINK HE WAS HALF AND HALF.BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT HIM-HE WAS HONEST-AND WHEN I HAD THE TIME I'D ALWAYS MAKE HIS REHEARSALS.I WAS TRYING TO DE- VELOP MYSELF AS A DRUMMER.AND IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE TO PLAY WITH HIM. DOWN BEAT...NOVEMBER 2,1978.PAGE 26 DAVID MURRAY...SAXOPHONIST...COMPOSER... STILL,THE THING THAT I SEE AT THE HEART OF JAZZ IS THE SAME THING THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE CHURCH-FOR ONE,THE WHOLE MATTER OF SPIRIT POSSESSION.NOBODY HAD TO TELL ME THAT PLAYING JAZZ ' WAS ABOUT FEELING,ABOUT'THE HOOK UP.'THAT'S WHY I CAN DIG THAT SOMEONE LIKE SUN RA'S ENERGY COMES FROM THAT SAME HOOK UP.IN FACT,SUNNY(MURRAY)TOLD ME THAT HE SAW SUN RA HOOK UP IN CENTRAL PARK ONCE. . DOWN BEAT...MARCH 25.l976.PAGE 39 YUSEF LATEEF...SAXOPHONIST...COMPOSER... BLINDFOLD TEST WITH LEONARD FEATHER... \ SUN RA ARKESTRA...INTERSTELLAR LOW WAYS(COSMOS-INNER CITY) YEAH,YOU THREW ME DOWN THAT TIME,LEONARD.I'LL TAKE SOME GUESSES. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS,BUT THE INSTRUMENTATION SOUNDED POSSIBLY LIKE A HARPSICHORD SOUND THAT YOU MIGHT GET ON AN ARP PRO SOLO- IST.IT SOUNDED ALSO AS IF THERE WERE AN ARP 2600 IN THE BACK- GROUND GIVING THAT EERIE,WINDLIKE EFFECT.I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT WAS A GUITAR OR A HARP. . . L I THE COMPOSITION SOUNDED SOMETHING LIKE WHAT MINGUS WOULD HAVE DONE AT SOME TIME IN HIS CAREER.IT WAS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN THE TUNE MUSIC YOU HERE THESE DAYS ON THE RADIO.I THINK THE COMPOSER HAD AN ORIGINAL CONCEPT.I THINK IT WAS COMPLETE IN ITSELF-I COULD A HEAR THE FORM.THE FORM WAS VERY SIMPLE,IN FACT,BUT IT WAS QUITE REPETITIOUS.IT WASN'T THROUGH COMPOSED-IT COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN DEVELOPED MORE.A LOT OF THINGS COULD HAVE HAPPENED;BUT I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED TO HAPPEN,AND IT SOUNDED AS THOUGH HE PULLED IT OFF. DOWN BEAT...JANUARY 26,1978.PAGE 31 STANLEY TURRENTINE...SAXOPHONIST... BLINDFOLD TEST WITH BRET PRIMACK... SUN RA ARKESTRA...TAKE THE A TRAIN(LIVE AT MONTREUX—INNER CITY) NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.THAT'S MAX(ROACH).AND I THINK BILLY HARPER ON TENOR.I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO HEAR ANYBODY ELSE,THEY WERE PLAY- ING KIND OF FAST,AS MAX USUALLY DOES.I HAVE TO GIVE IT THREE STARS.I KNOW IT'S MAX.IT'S GOT TO BE. BRET PRIMACK:JOHN GILMORE WAS THE TENOR AND CLIFFORD JARVIS ON THE DRUMS. STANLEY TURRENTINE:NO KIDDING.WELL,THEN I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT THREE BACK.HE SOUNDS SO MUCH LIKE MAX,LIKE A CARBON COPY.LIKE HE PICKED UP EACH RECORD MAX EVER PLAYED AND LEARNED EVERY SOLO THAT MAX PLAYED.HE SOUNDS SO MUCH LIKE MAX.JOHN GILMORE SOUNDS GOOD. HE ALWAYS DID.I'LL GIVE IT THREE STARS JUST ON THE STRENGTH OF HIM. DOWN BEAT...DECEMBER 7,1978.PAGE 31 WILBUR CAMPBELL...DRUMMER... I RECORDED WITH SUN RA IN '56 OR '57.IT WAS A DIFFERENT EXPER- IENCE WITH SUN,BUT HIS MUSIC HAS ALWAYS HAD A FLETCHER HENDERSON ' FLAVOR.WHAT MADE IT LESS ODD TO ME IS THAT I WOULD COME DOWN TO REHEARSAL EVEN WHEN I WASN'T PLAYING,SO I SORT OF SAW SUN GROW UP WITH HIS BIG BAND.I'VE BEEN KNOWING SUN SINCE THE '40'S AND WE PLAYED QUITE A FEW GIGS TOGETHER. DOWN BEAT...OCTOBER 1979.PAGES 25 AND 26. RAN BLAKE. . .PIANIST. . .COMPOSER. .. BLINDFOLD TEST WITH ART LANGE... SUN RA...SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE A MOTHERLESS CHILD(SOLO PIANO. VOLUME ONE-IMPROVISING ARTISTS) I LIKED THE PULSE,THE LEFT HAND,AND ALSO THE BREAKS IN THE RHYTHM—THE RUBATO ALWAYS FRESHENED THE RYTHYM WHEN IT CAME BACK, INSTEAD OF THE TYRANNY,THE MONOTONY OF THE RHYTHM.THERE WAS THE FEELING THIS PERSON LISTENED TO DOLLAR BRAND-I HEARD SOME AFRICA IN THERE.I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE PIANIST ON THE LACK OF RIGHT HAND FLASH. IT'S HARD TO GET A SENSE OF IDENTITY.SOMEONE WHO'D HAVE THAT SENSE OF THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE MUSIC WOULD BE JAKI BYARD, AND MIGHT DO THIS.AS THE PIECE WENT ON I HEARD A CECIL TAYLOR INFLUENCE-I WISH MAYBE MORE OF THAT HAD BEEN AT THE BEGINNING. IT WAS A LITTLE LONG-A GOOD TITLE FOR THIS MIGHT BE MOTHERLESS CHILD THEME AND VARIATIONS-I MISSED THE ARC.THE CURVE,AND WHERE THE CLIMAX WAS.YET IT WAS GOOD THE ARTIST CONTINUED,SINCE EACH VARIATION OFFERED A FASCINATING ARRAY OF COLORS.I HAVEN'T THE FAINTEST IDEA WHO IT IS,BUT I'M VERY,VERY IMPRESSED. DOWN BEAT...MARCH 1980.PAGE 53. ' Ts\\\\'l'\"\'\'-'.° I'M NOT DEALING WITH FREEDOM. AMERIcANs ARE IN LOVE WITH THE wORD FREEDOM. I'M DEALING WITH REALITY. PEOPLE SAY MAN'S NATURAL sTATE IS FREEDOM. BUT FREEDOM Is NOT wHAT MY Music IS ABOUT. A MAN Is NOTHING WITHOUT D|suNE. sUN RA MAR BACK BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT ME. I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO REMAKE ME. I KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED To . . . HELP PEOPLE GET ouT as THE MISERABLE SITUATION } THEY'RE IN. I'VE KNOWN THAT SINCE I wAs A CHILD. SUN RA 1986